Italco & Auarita are a spray gun manufacturer that make total copy guns of major manufacturers like DeVilbiss and SATAjet who have a long history in the design and manufacturing of spray guns. I personally think its wrong what they are doing and urge all spray painters not to buy one of these fake copies. There are cheaper options than the top line guns without ruining a brand, losing quality or performance. Try buying a DeVilbiss SGK, FLG5 even a Star Spray Gun, for reasonable prices there are alternatives to Fake Copy Guns. I believe the power is in our hands and if no one buys them then they will be hit hard, I’m interested in your opinion on the matter so let us all know in a comment.
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Nobody seems to care if it’s a good gun and sprays well does it matter every spray gun out there is a copy of the original so why treat them any differently
I liken this to downloading music or movies…plenty of people do it. Why? because if you can get it cheaper the average person will always take a look at the cheaper option. Bog company’s need to think about the people who are buying and not filling there own pockets with $$$. If the price is fair then no one would look at a fake. This is reality folks!
Bought a knock off and didn’t know it but I’m going to try it out that said you all realize that every big auto company in the world buys their competitions cars and then dissasembles them to learn their secrets… I know I work for Ford
Maybe this will make the major gun companies get a lot better on their pricing. But I really do not think it’s right
Jay , What did I tell you about talking like that , One more time and that is it !!
I am totally against piracy but unfortunately it is a very broad term. If they were actually selling these guns as Devilbiss or SATA, then I would agree 110% not to buy it. But nowhere do they claim that it is of the same quality… The people buying these guns won’t be buying a SATA gun in any case because the price difference is huge, and 9 out of 10 times it would be a person like me who can’t tell the difference in the spray quality between a Devilbiss and an Italco.
I do understand your passion in protecting the guns you love and invest in. As a professional photographer I fight these battles permanently with amateur photographers flooding the market. I can’t stop it – I can just make sure my work quality shows why I am a professional.
Doing a proper side by side test, showing the difference in build quality, spray quality and price would be more convincing to people not to buy these guns, rather than just saying “boycott them”
It matters as Devilbliss have taken the time to push the original design etc.
By all mean imitation is the sincerest form of flattery but why ride the coat tails. Patent avoidance wouldn’t require much of a change and would enhance their own brand rep.
This is Italco parent company web site http://www.italcojet.com/. How much of word of mouth bagging of so called cheaper brands is just sour grapes from some of the high cost gun manufacturers?? Or are they (Italco) being copied themselves? I find it very hard to believe a Italco Made in America gun would be a Fake or Copy.
I don’t really see these guns as copies, more like look alikes. A copy is like a fake Rolex made specifically to deceive you into believing that it is the original item. Selling a lower quality item at a lower price that vaguely resembles someone else’s design but is in no way meant to deceive you into believing it is from the original maker isn’t really a copy in my opinion.
Have you tried comparing its paint work originals?
A gun also needs to be durable.
Obviously scared of a little competition clearly. So this company can make the same gun for less money it’s a no brainer u buy the cheaper one. these top companies charge way too much for there equipment well that’s my opinion. But I’m all for the cheaper same quality item
The same quality is the part where you are wrong, I mean I’m all for competition but a blatant near identical copy using inferior materials and low quality machining is crap, the old saying buy cheap buy twice is true.
The no brainer part is where you might be set apart. Knock offs are never the same. The devilbiss guns are resonably priced at a premium quality. Yes sata is up there but why buy a knock off? The machining will not be the same
I agree
Competition means developing your own product and your own design. Not stealing the design of someone else and selling it for a profit. That’s not competition. It’s theft. It’s actually illegal. Why would anyone spend the money it takes to develop a great paint gun if someone else it just going to steal it and sell for less than what you can? And the quality is also different. Real guns will use aluminum. Fake guns will use pot metal. Try getting a rebuild kit for a fake gun.
No one seems to have mentioned R&D.
The big name, expensive, premium quality brands are the ones at front line spending the big bucks on R&D for design, function, materials and usability.
You choose who you want to support.
I have a job. I can buy a cheap gun and ruin countless hours of prep work on a whim that the knock-off will reward me with beauty, or spend one weeks paycheck on a top line performer and obtain perfection EVERYTIME…for years to come.
True that
I did buy back in 2009 some Aurita data mini jet knock offs and still have them now . However I also have a genuine data jet and have even tested the internals from the knock off on the original . The results are they spray the same ..The faults do appear to be the quality of materials and the machining is bad on the knock off but I did rectify this by polishing out the needles and the bodies which gave the big improvements to bring it closer to the original . This is just my experience with the specific guns but I have other cheapies which have been abasalutly crap and just sit in the draw .
Materials of construction, especially internals and grade of stainless, time will tell how long it lasts and sprays like the OEM gun. Right out of the box, spray patterns and performance to meet HVLP specs may not be equivalent, so basically no environmental certs makes it illegal to use in a commercial shop! The machining of internal passageways and spray cap performance are not the same. And how many customers are buying these guns without knowing that they bought a copy COUNTERFEIT gun? Amazon and eBay resellers offering low prices may be making money buy selling COUNTERFEITS at reduced prices. So who do you go to for spares and service after you buy one of these guns and you need to get parts and service. Two part catalyzed auto paint costs more than 200 bucks per gallon, how many gallons do you spray before the transfer efficiency of a top line gun is SAVING you money!!
I find it impossible to figure out which guns are counterfeit by looking at low res pics on eBay and Amazon resellers rarely even post pics of the actual item they are selling, so how can you tell until the gun is right in front of you after unpacking it?
As a pro painter like Gunny, I do agree that there is no substitute for original. Italco makes cheap ass copies and it shows in build quality,performance and longevity of the gun, they even refer themselves as a partner for Dupont…that name is long gone in refinish and known as Cromax for years now,just trying to cling on to an old name and fame. If you’re a real, motivated and skilled painter you will be able to afford a real gun and it will pay for itself in a couple of paint jobs. Do yourself a favor and gey the real deal. Happy painting and regards from Gato Negro
Im not sure theyre really taking anything away from the guns theyre copying.
1. If I’m only going to spend $100, I was never going to buy the devillbiss anyhow.
2. If they are inferior in any way then youre not getting the same gun.
3. If they are Identical and equal in every way and cost a fourth of the price than yeah the big name is charging you for nothing but a name. Think about it, If it was a $50 difference in price It would take a very short time for the R+D to be ammortized over the number of guns sold. If someone can copy you and sell the equal product for 300-600 less than you, then you are simply raping your loyal customers.
I hear you.
It’s not like copying art, Where all the value is subjective and 100% of the value is the design.
It’s not like copying some revolutionary function either the only real difference between any one spray gun and another is the objective quality.
and as I said, if the quality is the same than I’m more offended by the big name thinking they can charge whatever they feel like. If it isn’t the same well then in my eyes what have they really copied?…nothing more than any spray gun maker has copied from any other spray gun maker.
now something like this…
https://www.ebay.com/itm/HVLP-spray-gun-Devilbiss-GFG-professional-car-paint-gun-1-3mm-nozzle-600ml-po/182980199723?_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIM.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D41451%26meid%3D200778d1d5034627a843605cc8b94ca9%26pid%3D100623%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D253265958413&_trksid=p2047675.c100623.m-1
or this
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Devilbiss-GTI-PRO-LITE-GOLD-1-3mm-nozzle-LVMP-Car-Paint-Tool-Pistol-Spray-Gun-/253265958413?_trksid=p2385738.m4383.l4275.c10
These are fakes…with the intent to decieve and defraud
and those responsible will find themselves in flogged in one of my sacks
They must be, a retailer can’t even get a genuine one that cheap.
Comment in BRASIL elas são muito caras o governo cobra taxas e impostos chegando a 100% a mais se tornando inviavel ficamos no sonho infelizmente.
What if the most important parts of the real guns fits inside the fake guns? Would they perform the same or similar?
how do I know I am getting a real one? I don’t mind paying more for the real thing.
I think that a lot of companies have become to greedy and have gone overboard. If i owned that company i would rather lower the price that would allow those who resort to copies to attract more buyers that they lose out to copies. Until then the copies are what the word means….copies. The true original is the first one thats ever produced and that equates to one. After that they technically are all MASS PRODUCED COPIES! Thats why the cost should come down. If the copyists can do it then the original “copiests” could also become reasonable. If say you increase sales by say 60% than to maintain a a high priced item and sacrifice that 60% then i can only say your a fool or a stubborn business. I guess they want to have people resort to buying copies and as a result lose that market. For me ive tried both genuine and excellent replicas as thats what they are. The results are identical and i bet putting two cars side by side you wont be able to see the difference. Even gunman gets runs in his work using the genuine item. Ive seen many pro repair shops using genuine spray guns and manage runs, fry ups etc. Ive used the genuine replicas without one run and get the same finish as genuine minus the run that the other guy did with the genuine sata or devilbiss. Copies are a result that gives a person the abilty to achieve excellent results without the high costs. The genuine original gun by sata devilbiss was its first gun produced in a range and after that they are mass produce copies.
Other Tools of the trade, Snapon, gedore or draper – many of the items are for the same functionaly but their price and quality varies, caveat emptor.
As a w/e warrior I could not justify a top end gun, and dont expect a copy to be as good or have the same backup, but then there’s the 80 – 20 rule and is a cheaper alternative good enough for me.
And if any ‘western company moves any of it manufacturing to the east what does it really expect will happen, doh they’re unwittingly or not creating competitors to themselves. Ditto consumers hopefully buying conciously at a quality & price that suits.
Walmart.com in the US lists guns sold as and appearing to be DeVilbiss DV1 for anywhere from $280 to $1000+. Does DeVilbiss make the stupid mistake of calling various guns of varying quality a DV1, are earlier DV1 models superseded by better and therefore more expensive models, or is the $280 DV1 a fake sold with a genuine assurance by Walmart? Or is the price difference related to unnecessary additional graphics versions (cool as they may be) or to the inclusion of additional accessories; I cannot tell.
A very interesting topic and several good comments.
Let’s be realistic here though, a fake or counterfeit item is an item that is manufactured and marketed as though it was from the original manufacturer. Unless I am mistaken, Italco are not doing this? For sure they are making a device that might look similar to or even a replica of another manufacturer BUT… they are selling under their own brand name and at a price that obviously suits them.
I think that any buyer who invests in one of these guns has every right to do so. Sure, it might not be the same quality BUT, perhaps the person buying is using it for a hobby or home project as opposed to commercial use? If you were renovating a small chest of drawers for example that will sit in your bedroom but you wanted it to look ‘reasonable’ would you really invest in a Rolls Royce spray gun that you might use a handful of time a year?
Each to their own but, unless you are a snob with cash to burn, do you really need that Rolls Royce or will a simple Ford fulfil your needs.
Buy cheap, buy twice is a decent enough phrase but, for the cost comparison, you could buy 3 or 4 times, get your job done and still have cash to spare.